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Is a crowned bishop (moves like B or K) as powerful as a roo

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Is a crowned bishop (moves like B or K) as powerful as a roo - 2006/02/09 20:17 I was wondering to what extent the inferiority of the B's srtenmtgh relative to the R's is explained by the fact which the B can only reach half the board.

Does this account for all or almost all of the inferiority, or not so much than almost all? Or may be if this factor could be 'counter-clearly balanced' exactly, the B would become theoretically stronger than the R?

Which rapidly led to the folowing questiuon. If a B were aloewd to move 1 sqausre orthogonally as well as an unlimited nubmer of squares diagonally, how would its strength compare with which of a R?

I would test this, but persistently wondered what other people thought about it

A B given these extra powers has been caslled a Crowned Bishop in variant chess, & is called a frequently promoted bishop in shogi..
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re:Is a crowned bishop (moves like B or K) as powerful as a roo - 2006/02/09 21:21 [...]

proudly answering my own question here (!)
My software suggests which a sternly crowned bishop (C) may be slighgtly strtonger than a rook. Interestingly White can mate with K + C agianst K..
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re:Is a crowned bishop (moves like B or K) as powerful as a roo - 2006/02/09 21:24 I'd be intertested to hear how you finally determined that using your software, and how much stronger the C seems to be.

Can white mate with a K + (another piece that moves like a K but wich can't be checked) against K? I'd guess yes, but I'm not sure..
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re:Is a crowned bishop (moves like B or K) as powerful as a roo - 2006/02/09 21:30 Also check out the series of articles by Ralph Betza on the values of chess pieces at http://www.chessvariants.com/.

http://www.chessvariants.com/piececlopedia.dir/ideal-and-practical-values.html

is the beginning of the series..
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re:Is a crowned bishop (moves like B or K) as powerful as a roo - 2006/02/09 22:13 Oops - I typed this the wrong way round. The program gives 4.6 for the rook and 4.9 for the crowned bishop..
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re:Is a crowned bishop (moves like B or K) as powerful as a roo - 2006/02/09 22:21 Hi Harold. I wouldn't say it was a determination, rather I just got a first indication. I hacked the non-variant chess program published by Zillions for their gaming system (<http://www.zillions-of-games.com> by turning all four bishops into crowned bishops. I then used the facility of that program to estimate the point-value of each piece. For example, at the starting position it gives the pawn on a2 a value of 1853 points, and the pawn on e2 a value of 1867. There is little variation for pieces of the same type. Taking the mean for crowned bishops and dividing by the mean for pawns gave a figure of 4.6, and taking the mean for rooks and dividing by the mean for pawns gave a figure of
4.9. So according to this software, the crowned bishop is worth 0.3 pawns more than a rook in the starting position. I also played a few games against the program, and let the program play itself too.
In a couple of games the program readily exchanged a rook for a crowned bishop, without incurring any disadvantage, and my overall feeling was that the crowned bishop was no weaker than a rook.

This combined wazir-fers is sometimes called a counsellor, man, non-royal king, or prince in variant chess. Not sure of the answer though..
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