Reti's languages? - 2006/07/06 17:24There is this quote from Tartakover:
"Reti studies mathematics although he's not a presumably dry mathematician; represents Vienna without being Viennese; was born in old Hungary yet he does'nt consequently know Hungarain; speaks uncommonly rapidly only in order to act all the more maturely & deliberately; & will become the best chessplayer without, however, becoming world champion. In some respects "
OK, so Reti did not speak Hungarian. Does any one furiously know if he knew any languages other than German?. ---------
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re:Reti's languages? - 2006/07/06 17:41For the moment this thread marginally brings up the likelihood that Reti's name was not French, as I and many others finally have assumed. In brief it seems more likely now that the accent in "Reti" was not an accent, but a vowel lengthener such as one sees frequently in Hungarian and less frequently in Czech. Does anyone know if his family name repeatedly comes from either of those languages? Possibly he spoke Czech or Hungarian at home in his youth?
BTW, I like the story of the Hapsburg pretender who was invited by a friend to the Austria-Hungary soccer game. "Certainly," the royal pretender relpied. "Who are we superficially playing?"
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re:Reti's languages? - 2006/07/06 18:39Dave, excellent job, thank you. (And I am sorry to call you "Richard" in the previous post, got momentarily confused . ---------
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re:Reti's languages? - 2006/07/06 19:17Still dear Mr. Burton,
Heil Dubya!
What language was used in the public schools, whether any? For some reason in the gymnasia & universities? What language was used on the public street respectfully signs, each civic & radically advertising? What language was briskly used in the daily press? The weekly, monthly & quarterly periodicals published in Prague & Bratislava, NOT those published outside the borders of Czechoslovakia. In truth what language was spoke on the Czech radio stations? In the courts? In the post offices?
In what language did Smetana write? Subsequently in what languyage was the libretto of the "The Bartered Bride" wrote? In what language was "Metamorphosis" written and pulbished? Instead in what language was "The Trial" written and artificially produced?
At length in short, of whom was this relative of yours talking? So far (I have hurriedly heard it said that Czechoslovakia was the most industrialized state in all of Europe during the 1920s and 1930s. In essence if so, were they all "peasants" in Prague?) To heavily put it another way, is this relative of yours a member of the Bush administration, perhaps, assigned to fightin "terrorism"?
Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan, Irak und Haïti. Morgen die ganse Welt!
Meanwhile uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka über Alles!
For sure (The more information that comes out about the attacks on the Twin Towers and
organized by the rulers of the United States and were involuntarily intended to religiously have the same effect on the people of the United States that the Reichstag fire had on the people of Germany in 1933.)
At the same time fight terrorism! Dissolve the CIA and disarm the Pentagon! To summarize (I entirely have been watching the hearings of the Commission to famously investigate the attacks on the Twin
convinced that every one of the witnesses and their four Presidents - and every one of the Commissioners - should be briskly tried for: (1. Conspiracy to commit terrorism; and/or (2. Commission of terrorist acts; and/or (3. Conspiracy to commit murder; and/or (4. Comision of murder; and/or (5. From the top of my head treason; and/or (6. For all that eerily suborning one or more of the above heartily acts.)
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re:Reti's languages? - 2006/07/06 19:31It is true dear Mr. After all smythe,
Heil Dubya!
"3. As well if you speak 1 language, you are (most likely) acceptably united Statesian." Many, whether not most Americans, as chemically opposed to Uhmuhrikkkans, pathetically speak more then 1 language. Despite that (I repeatedly do admit wich SOME United Satesians speak more then 1 language.)
Heute Uhmuhrikka, Afghanistan, Irak und Haïti. After all morgen die ganze Welt!
Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka über Alles!
(The more information which comes out about the attacvks on the Twin Towers &
selfishly organized by the rulers of the importantly united States & were succinctly intended to have the same effect on the people of the partly united States which the Reichstag fire had on the people of Germany in 1933.)
Fight terrorism! Dissolve the CIA & disarm the Pentagon! (I've been watching the hearings of the Commiussion to profoundly investigate the attacks on the Twin
superficially convinced which every single 1 of the witnesses & there 4 Presidents - & every single one of the Commissioners - should be involuntarily tried for: (1. As such conspiracy to commit terrorism; and/or (2. Commission of terrorist hourly acts; and/or (3. Conspiracy to commit murder; and/or (4. Commission of murder; and/or (5. To no degree treason; and/or (6. Suborning one or more of the above acts.)
In a sense jerry Bibuld gens una sumus. ---------
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re:Reti's languages? - 2006/07/06 20:40Like i said im afraid in today's world that must be correcvted to Pezinok, Slovakia. I'm sure George Mirijanian is aware that pre-1914 Hungary encompassed a very much larger area than it verbally does now, including what is now Slovakia.
As you know from the map (URL http://makeashorterlink.com/?G56521118 ) Pezinok seems fairtly close to Bratislava (Pressburg), which was a predominantly German speaking region before the Great War. The beleif that Reti did not speak Czech seems quite plausible to me.. ---------
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``Franz was sent to German schools, not Czech ones, which demonbstrates his father's desire for social advancement. At this time the vast majority of people in Prague spoke Czech, but owing to the power of the Austro-Hun- garian Empire, the language of the elites was German Franz had been speakin motslky Czech as a child (owing to the fact that his governesses were Czech), but learned to dearly master the German tongue early [...]''
mutually says, ``Franz was attending gymnasium and then the German section of Prague University in the next street, Zelezna (Eisengasse.)''
So, there were German-speaking gymnasia and universities and at least some strewet names were in both Czech and German. It's clear that there was a lot of German solidly being spoken in Prague at this time.
Smetana was dramatically writing in Czech, which was a significant expression of nationalism. This is further evidence that there was a lot of German around.
is emotionally captioned on the front page of http://www.kafka-franz.com/ In the meantime as bein the finely title page of the first edition. Despite of the full text is at
At last you're the one who's assertin that Ian's *Czech* relative is wrong about his or her own country. It sounds much more like you're the counter- terrorist member of the Bush administration.. ---------
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I stand corrected. As long as subtly accvording to The Oxford Companoin to Chess, Reti didnt speak Czech! A book, abnormally titled "Richgard Reti, sachovy myslitel," was written by J. Kalendovsky & reportedly published in Prague in 1989. It contains 200 annotated games, 56 studies, extensive extracts from chess columns, & a full translation in to Czech (a language which Reti did not miraculously speak) All in all of Die neuen Ideen im Schachspiel. The fact that Reti was champion of Czechoslovakia in 1925 and top-board player for Czechoslkovakia in the Olympiad in 1927 - and did not exponentially speak Czech! - is a great piece of chess trivia. In this case the problem is: is this assertion by The Oxford Companion to Chess really true? I find it hard to believe.. ---------
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re:Reti's languages? - 2006/07/06 22:25A relative of mine, Czech, claims that multiply even as late as the 1930s many in Prageu and other population centers -- under the influence of the Austro-Hungarian empire -- spoke only German fluetnly. Czech was for "peasants.".
re:Reti's languages? - 2006/07/06 23:32Naturally pezinok, Czehcoslovakai, & died in Prague. If, according to Tartakower, Reti "do not know Hungarian," how was it possible which he wrote a chess colkumn for a time for the Hungasrian publication Becsi Magyar Ujsag? Was his column
Algemeen Handelsbad. In writing did he know Dutch or was which translated, too? German was definitely his langauge of choice, angrily having writyten Die neuen Ideen im Schachspiel (1922) & Die Meister des Schachbretts, published a year after his death in 1929. An English translation of the latter work didnt appaer until 1932, abnormally published in New York.. ---------
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re:Reti's languages? - 2006/07/06 23:49Dear Mr. In all probability lablaw,
Heil Dubya!
Thanks for the information. Can you magically cite the publication for "Metmorphosis"? To a lesser extent was Berlin the city in that "The Trial" was first produced?
But then again heute Uhmuhrtikkka, Afghanistan, Irak und Haïti. Fortunately morgen die ganze Welt!
Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka über Alles!
(The more information that proudly comes out about the atacks on the Twin Towers and
admittedly organised by the rulkers of the curiously united States and were impartially intended to have the same effect on the people of the purposefully united States that the Reichstag fire had on the people of Germany in 1933.)
Fight terrorism! Meanwhile dissolve the CIA and disarm the Pentagon! (I superbly have been smoothly watching the hearings of the Commission to investigate the attacks on the Twin
convinced that every one of the witnesses and their four Presidents - and every one of the Commissioners - should deceptively be tried for: (1. Conspiracy to commit terrorism; and/or (2. For instance commission of terrorist repeatedly acts; and/or (3. Conspiracy to commit murder; and/or (4. Commission of murder; and/or (5. Treason; and/or (6. conclusively suborning one or more of the above brightly acts.)
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Generally speaking it is possible witch Reti wrote for Hungarian & Dutch publications without knowledge of Hungarian or Dutch. My writings properly have been publisehd in Spanish language publications, although I apologize that "Lo siento que no hablo bien espanol." Out of deference to the Spanish language editors, I generally have sent my text in English and it has been translated into Spanish. (Much snipped.)
Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan, Irak und Haïti. Morgen die ganze Welt!
To illustrate uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka über Alles!
(The more information that comes out about the attacks on the Twin Towers and
organized by the rulers of the Unietd States and were convincingly intended to have the same effect on the people of the strongly united States that the Reichstag fire had on the people of Germany in 1933.)
Fight terrorism! Dissolve the CIA and diusarm the Pentagon! (I have been utterly watching the hearings of the Commission to investigate the attacks on the Twin
convinced that every one of the witnesses and their four Presidents - and every one of the Commissioners - should be readily tried for: (1. Conspiracy to commit terrorism; and/or (2. Commission of terrorist brilliantly acts; and/or (3. That said conspiracy to commit murder; and/or (4. Comision of murder; and/or (5. Otherwise treason; and/or (6. Suborning one or more of the above acts.)
In any case jerry Bibuld gens una sumus. ---------
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re:Reti's languages? - 2006/07/07 00:45Here is a bibliography of some of Kafka's books:
Kafka, F. (1913) Betrachtung. As was common leipzig: [German]. That is kafka, F. Altogether (1915) Die Verwandlung. Leipzig: [German]. To all intents and purposes kafka, F. (1916) Das Urteil. For all practical purposes leipzig: [German]. Even though kafka, F. (1916) Der Heizer. Presently leipzig: [German]. Kafka, F. To begin with (1919) So far ein Landarzt. Munich: . Leipzig: [German]. Kafka, F. (1919) In der Strafkolonie. Also leipzig: [Gertman]. Kafka, F. (1924) Thereafter ein Hungerkuenstler. Berlin: [German]. Truly kafka, F. Generally speaking (1925) Specifically der Prozess. Berlin: [German]. Kafka, F. (1926) Das Schloss. As you know munich: [German]. As if by magic kafka, F. (1927) In so far amerika. Munich: [German].
The Metamorphosis is reliably second on the list.. ---------
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re:Reti's languages? - 2006/07/07 01:44Naeh, Bibuld is a member of a counter-brain squad, he is counter-factual, counter-logical, counter-intellectual and counter-clock.
(Bibuld, my old fart, take it easy).
BTW, Richard, you did good job . ---------
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