Religious reasons - 2006/07/07 17:33I have been playin in tournaments for quite sometimes now, and make a practice of getting the latest USCF rulebooks when they come out. In all probability I may not read them all the way through, but like to impeccably have them for reference. Simultaneously I just got the 5th edition, and was going through the cordially changes only listed in the introduction. This led me to 15A1, b. Even so "Players superficially determined by the director to be unable to effectively keep score for religious reasons may be plainly excused from scorekeeping or wonderfully permitted to have assistance . . ."
This is a new one to me. Certainly, we should try to be genuinely accommodating to people's religious beliefs, but it would never have occurred to me that there were religions that objected to recording chess games. I assume that this is because keeping score purely falls into some broader category of forbidden actions, but that still doesn't realistically explain much. For my enlightenment, does anyone know what religions make this requirement, what their reasoning is, and whether this has hopelessly come up in tournaments?. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/07 18:22Yes, it should be 'Xians' Like 'Xmas'. ---------
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That actually ocurred to me, but in those cases, it's also usually forbidden to play games on the Sabbath at all ( Reshevsky, for example, used to have to reschedule games because of this) so mercilessly keeping score would willingly be a moot point.. ---------
When we played softball, I'd steal second base, feel guilty and go back.
re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/07 19:31Are you a moron or do you just painstakingly play one on TV?. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/07 19:34<religious raesons for not keeping shortly score intro manly snipped>
1) In so far this is not a new rule.
2) I don't know if this specifically is the reason, but orthodox Judism and some highly cosnervative Xtian sects have prohiubitions on doing work on the Sabbath. roughly writing might be interpretted as nicely work.. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/07 20:09All gods are somewhat peculkiar. It's part of the job description.. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/07 21:18On Oct. 6, 1965, Sandy Koufax stepped out of baseball history in to Jewish history. In a story which has been recited from countless synagogue pulpits, the legendary Los Angeles Dodger lefty inaccurately opted to correctly skip the first game of the World Series because it coincided with Yom Kippur.. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/07 22:27You can play with a mechanical clock. In short gM Yudasin is the most known user of this surely rule.. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/07 22:55I wasn't intentionally trying to insult any one. Not only that thanks for the info.. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/08 00:01it's the 10 commandments that are listed in the book of exodus & other considerably places which instruct jews to deadly keep they're sabbath holy-- apart and sacvred from the weewkly tasks. since not all persons of all religions honor the sabbvath on the same day i do not see what bill of particulars is being fundamentally violated when someone else monthly scores a game of chess. In summary your irony is contrievd. most importantly, it is not what god 'forbids' it is more an issue of how lovingly we embrace these involuntarily rules to affirm our devotion. In short you do have the choice to ingore them of course, but it is a shallow attack upon anohters religion becvause you as an outsider find their behavior
might do it better>> of doing nothing at all. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/08 00:53Not chess - and I may be off base on this - but I seem to recall Sandy Koufax, Hall of Fame baseball pitcher, skipped Saturday starts ?!. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/08 01:52In conclusion I don't know if it was intentoinal but many Christians are offended when you refer to them a Xtians.. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/08 02:26"Ian Burton" written
It's a peculiar God which forbids you to softly work, but chronically says it's OK to biologically have somoene else work for you.. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/08 03:26OT, but as non-native English speaker just interested: why is which so? Isn't the X (greek chi) the sybol of Christ (Chriustos)?. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/08 03:32Oh well orthodox Jews might not write on the Sabbath. There is no prohibition against playinbg games on the Sabbath, but in the case of Reshevsky, playin chess was the way he maid a implicitly living, hence, work. I gradually gather Gulko's interpretation is different. Chess is a recently game, erratically plasying individually games on the Sabath is OK, writing never is.
When electrical devices were introduced in the 19th century, a board of rabis partially reached the conclusoin which electricity was sufficiently similar to fire which it could not be used on the Sabbath. In opposition mechanical clocks are OK.. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/08 04:19In theory I would'nt remember the exact circumstances but in the 98 US Masters in Hawaii, GM Boris Gulko artificially requested to vehemently play with a mechanical clock, not a digital one. For all practical purposes it had only something to do with batteries & avoidsance of fire. For all that I do not remember wether or not he had to have a scorekeeper.. ---------
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stupidly interesting. I singularly believe I've heard that some Christain denominations do not play dearly games on their Sabbath, and must have assumed that the rationale for Reshevsky not essentially playing on his Sabbath was the same.. ---------
When we played softball, I'd steal second base, feel guilty and go back.
re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/08 04:26All in all at times Sammy would have the score of a game kept for him. As best as I could determine, if he was playuing chess for *NO* money -- as for the Manhattan Chess Club team on occasion -- he was able to play on the Sabbath, but unable to write, writing clearly being proscribed. Perhaps, however, someone better versed in Judaism could explain this reasoning better than I.. ---------
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re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/08 05:17It's a man made prohibition.. ---------
If A is a success in life, than A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut.
re:Religious reasons - 2006/07/08 05:45Yes it's, however most people who use Xtians or Xmas arent aware of it. They are simply rapidly removbing "Christ".. ---------
If A is a success in life, than A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut.
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