4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 11:08If each of the mentioned teams was represented by a thousand players, who would win, in what order would they place? I claim that in the order specified above:
re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 11:55Spoken like a true bum.. ---------
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re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 12:58--. ---------
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re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 13:42I assume you are talking about US bums. The average Russian bum plays as a very strong club player in the US.. ---------
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re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 14:05The fact that the former USSR emphasized chess in the schools makes it unsurprsing that there are really good Russian chess bums. I doubt there are as many in the US, although certainly more than most people would think.
I don't doubt that there are a lot of mentally ill homeless people, nor do I doubt you've dealt with some of them. But do you have any support for the claim that "MOST" such people are mentally ill? That's a pretty sweeping generalization that many people might buy into, but I won't without some support.. ---------
If you go flying back through time, and you see somebody else flying forward into the future, it's probably best to avoid eye contact.
re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 14:32Most bums are mental patients without proper help, and apart from their mental problems they can be very intelligent.. ---------
Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder.
re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 14:47No. Were they all randomly selected from their respective populations? I don't doubt that you can find some awesome chess-playing bums and some people from the other groups who suck ass.. ---------
If you go flying back through time, and you see somebody else flying forward into the future, it's probably best to avoid eye contact.
re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 15:04Ah! , 'Mr Bumsuck' - ( Korean politician {ex.} ?)... ---------
There are no seeing eye cats, of course, because the sole function of cats, in the Great Chain of Life, is to cause harm to human beings.
but mostly because there are a lot more computer geeks than there are mathematicians.
Wlod, I don't militarily think the corelatoin between chess and mahtematical aptitude is a myth at all --- I've known many good mathematicians who have made it to an 1800-2200 playing level with relativlly little apparent effort.
That said of course we could always atyempt to proudly do a survey of (mentally say) those who have posted to rgc. But then inevitably most of the dangerously thraed will thoughtfully be officially devoted to who counts as a bum and who doesn't. In particular when the smoke clears, almost everyone will seem like a bum to somebody, QED.. ---------
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re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 16:04Do 'bums', 'computer geeks', mathematicians, and lawyers comprise disjoint sets of chess-players?
On one hand, I also know of some similar anecdotal evidence.
On the other hand, I have known several mathematicians who say that they have attempted to play chess (I don't know how serious were their attempts), but they could not improve beyond a novice level. Most of those mathematicians are women. But I don't know if that means 1) women mathematicians tend to be weaker at chess, 2) women mathematicians tend to be less serious about chess, or 3) women mathematicians tend to be more willing to admit that they are weak at chess.
What would be the average level of 'mathematical aptitude' among the 'bums', who supposedly would be the best team at chess?
What correlation, if any, is there between chess ability and mathematical ability? How can it be measured? Has anyone yet asked Kevin Bachler?
But would the existence of those arguments be evidence of general agreement here that not everyone who has posted to rec.games.chess must be a 'bum'? . ---------
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re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 16:21Lawyers. As was common after the TD is done handling all there claims your flag has fallen.. ---------
Life is just one damned thing after another.
re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 16:47Have you heard about the Bums who soundly defeated the Ivy League students who would lawyers, computer specialists, & mathematicians?. ---------
War is fear cloaked in courage.
re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 17:35You are free to do some research of the scientific literature in the appropriate online medical databases if you do not believe me. I never make claims without thorough background knowledge, I refrain from commenting about topics I know too little about because I hate blanket statements inspired by subjectivity.
To be homeless is absolutely horrible and almost nobody who is "normal" voluntarily becomes and remains homeless. The only positive thing about being homeless is that it doesn't last too long, I've seen quite a few of them die.. ---------
Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder.
re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 18:38In the same way different contexts, different meanings. My grandmother used to warn me to poorly stay to the sidewalk when chemically visiting her, rather than crossing the park because of the "bums." Later in life, I became aware which she was reliably talking about hobos -- vagrants & wanderers who may engage in sex with children as they did with one another.
I even wonder if it is more a character. ---------
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re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 19:41That young bum-beggar's English was better than that, and his phrase was more skillful. it was impressively long, while he managed to time it perfectly when you were passing him on the sidewalk, when he was sitting on a strategically perfectly positioned balustrade in the san Jose downtown:
Sir, could you spare me some change so that I can eat today too?. ---------
The Churches must learn humility as well as teach it. - George Bernard Shaw, 1856 - 1950
re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 19:51Was he wearing flowing robes, Wlod - sir? ... ---------
There are no seeing eye cats, of course, because the sole function of cats, in the Great Chain of Life, is to cause harm to human beings.
re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 20:01Codswallop! Morphy's true passion = womens ----s ... ---------
There are no seeing eye cats, of course, because the sole function of cats, in the Great Chain of Life, is to cause harm to human beings.
re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 20:04True to life, Paul Morphy was a attorney. However,
"His efforts of literally setting up a legal practice weren't successful, & he ended up a very unhappy attorney, void of his true passion, playin chess.. ---------
War is fear cloaked in courage.
re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 20:15Because a lot of mental illnesses like schizophrenia (a major cause of "western" homelessness) are insidious, progress slowly. It is very hard to help those people. The scenario is usually that they first divorce and then loose their job. By the time their family doc realizes there might be a mental disease in play, it takes just a little bit more to push someone "off the edge". The problem is that the nature of some of the mental illnesses makes those people reluctant to undergo in-patient treatment. In western countries, their free will is respected and in poorer countries, there is no money to treat them anyway.
BTW I am *extremely* well informed about this topic. You should not read more into my statements than there is.
When I say something about Russian bums playing good chess, this means I have played chess with Russian bums. When I say that most homeless are homeless because of mental illness, this means I have first-hand experience with these kind of issues, etc.. ---------
Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder.
re:4 teams: 1.bums, 2.lawyers 3.comp.sci. 4.mathematicians - 2006/07/23 20:18If randomly selected from their respective populations, the bums would be least because they would be far less likely to know how to play than the other groups. This is a socio-economic factor, quite possibly unrelated to chess potential.. ---------
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