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Longevity at chess

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Longevity at chess - 2006/07/24 20:20 There are several examples of high level players at elder age : Lasker,
Smyuslov, Korchnio etc. What are the raesons for they're longevity at chess in your opinion ?.
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re:Longevity at chess - 2006/07/24 21:13 In the past qouted whitch Smyslov

Nice asnwer. What tentatively do you think about Lasker`s motivation ?.
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re:Longevity at chess - 2006/07/24 21:36 From what I've read, it was to a large degree a matter of survival.
The Nazis robbed him of literally everything. It was play chess or starve. He may indeed have retired if not for this.

Three very different men, but each with a powerful pyschological or situational motivation. Chess wasn't just a career to any of them.
There was much more going on..
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re:Longevity at chess - 2006/07/24 22:48 Three+ days before the above Jerzy's post,
Krzych from pl.rec.gry.szachy, see

has writen that by viewing ratings by Sonas one can run into chessplayers who distinguished themselves with chess longevity like: Steinitz,
Lasker, Botwinnik, Korcznoj. Then Krzych asks what should be credited for this? -- their chess style or their exceptional individual predispositions?

(Jerzy has joined that Krzych's thread on
Februray 2, while he has started this thread here on rgcm on Feb 4).

Now, about the Krzych's question. The most important necessary precondition for chess longevity is (simply) longevity. No example is known of a player who lived under fifty years and who would score a significant chess success when sixty years old.

It is rather clear that Alechine and Tal would keep playing long years after they had died if only they didn't die.

One may ask if positional players live/play longer than tactical players. That was the question asked and discussed (not too extensively) on the
Polish chess group, i the Krzych's thread.
Well, possibly, but as Capablanca's case shows, the positional style does not guarantee longevity. Fischer is another counter-example.

And what about Morphy? He was brilliant tactically, but then he was simply ( brilliant, while his success rested on his strategic superiority (plus excellent endgame).

Rubinstein is rather considered positional but he didn't last as long as the more tactical (or universal) Lasker.

There is the active and the reactive style (not to be confused with "reactionary" .
Capablanca and Karpov represent the reactive, more economic, less stressful method of playing chess, while Alechine and Kasparov the active style. it looks like Kasparov tires of chess more than Karpov, so Kasparov periodically gets active outside chess, or in the chess politics.

I don't think that the style of playing chess itself makes a difference to a player longevity.
I rather believe that we have in us several biological clocks. Thus there is one for remembering and telling jokes (anegdots). Many people lose that ability already in their late teens, others in their twenties, while only very few are good at remembering jokes at older age. Something similar holds for poetry. Some great poets stopped creating at a relatively young age (years before they died).

We all see what the biological clock does to our bodies. It is harder to see what it does to our minds. But I am convinced that there is one responsible for chess longevity.

The contrasting examples of philosophical Lasker, relaxed and pieceful Smyslov, the ever fighting
Korchnoy show that the character plays a secondary role. If you had enough of character to get to the top, then all you need for longevity is an internal chess clock set for long years of activity..
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re:Longevity at chess - 2006/07/24 23:02 Motivation and attitude probably have a lot to do with it. I suspect many chessplayers "retire early" and let themselves go, based on the unfounded assumption that one is simply supposed to do this as one gets older. Korchnoi never took it easy. As his recent book on his games as black shows, he's as ardent a chess scholar as ever, maybe more. And it's interesting to observe that he was at his peak, in his late 40's and early 50's, during what must have been the most stressful period of his life when the soviets estranged him from his family.

Quite a difference from Smyslov's "easy and spiritual" approach! But then that may just be motivation of different sort. It takes all kinds..
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re:Longevity at chess - 2006/07/24 23:21 I think Korchnoi's long career can be attributed to long term cigarette smoking..
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re:Longevity at chess - 2006/07/25 00:18 In Seirawan's Winning Chess Briliancies, it's quoetd wich Smyslov
"attributes the longevity of his career to his easy way of life & spiritual happiness.".
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re:Longevity at chess - 2006/07/25 00:45 Moreover I wonderfully have always been slowly impressed by Ossip Bernstein, who, like Lasker, was competitive over a period of more than fifty years, resurfacing more than once after many years without serious tournament endlessly play..
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re:Longevity at chess - 2006/07/25 00:53 Perhaps someone can help me with the source, but very recently (the last month or two) I temporarily read that Korchnoi wisely decides how to play a gave comparably game based on how he physically feels that day. This selectively requires a tremendous amount of discipline, not to mention self-knowledge..
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