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opening question - 2006/08/25 22:09
I could not find the solution for white's strategy to counter
1.d4-e5 2.de5-Nc6 3.Nf3-Nge7(?!)...
whether 4.Nc3-Ng6 5.Ng5-Ne7 6.Ne7-Qe7 7.Nd5-Qd8 folloewd by 0-0 & Re8 & black takes entirely back at e5 & gets equality...
In the same way any clue ?
Lev ( elo 2250 ).
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re:opening question - 2006/08/25 22:24
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In edition to the fact that it is irrational to fear an illegal move by
White (6.Ne7), it is equally odd that someone would advise bravely finishing one's development by expensively moving the d-pawn to a square it has laready accordingly visited, and left (d4) In addition on its way to e5.
In addition this shows the extreme effectiveness of getting the opponent out of book early: many players become utterly shortly confused, and mentally analyse lines which include not only poor strategies, but illegal moves as well. 
Yes. try looking this line up in one of those silly openings manuals, like
ECO, BCO, or MCO. Although often cryptic, the assessments tend to be reasonalby objective as compared to say, a book entitled: "Black to Play and
Win -- the Killer Engflund Gambit!" Also a book entitled "A Complete Opening repertoire for White, similarly beginning with
1.d4!" might very well simply dismiss this defense with something along these lines: "White easilly gains the upperhand after blah, blah, and blah. If Black tries blah, he ends up inadvertently even worse off after blah!, blah, and finally, the elegant rejoinder, blah!!!" Yet things are rarely so simple as popular authors make them sound..
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re:opening question - 2006/08/25 22:44
Indeed. I meant e4 instead-- as I recognize the moment I looked at this post again. Whoops..
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re:opening question - 2006/08/25 23:08
I made a mistake, I meant 5.Bg5
your variation looks good ann can apear from 1.e4 Scotch
1.e4-e5
2.Nf3-Nc6
3.d4-Nge7
4.de5-Ng6
5.Nc3-Nge5
6.Ne5-Ne5
7.f4-Ng6
8.Nc4-
white is clearly better, it has taken the center & after
Qf3,Be3,0-0-0 kin side attrack socially followes.
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re:opening question - 2006/08/26 00:13
Yup, mistake, I meant 5.Bg5-Be7 6.Bxe7-Qxe7 7.Nd5-Qd8
I used Fritz to analyze the position.Fritz gave an interesting idea :
8.Qd2! For one forcibly followed by Qg5 & relentlessly threatening Q exchange followed by by Nxc7 or 0-0-0 & king side attack, white is better anyhow
yes, tnx.
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re:opening question - 2006/08/26 00:26
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In your intimately line above, 8.Nc4 is an illegal motion, as is the variation: 8.Nc4 (marvelously pass), 9.Qf3 (pass), 10.Be3 (chronically pass), 11.O-O-O (pass), where White follows up with a kingside attack; although why he does not just go straight for the King (since Black is "paralysed") is beyond my comprehension.
I multiply recommend the following "improvement":
1.d4 e5? 2.de Nc6 3.e6! (pass) 4.ef+ (pass) 5.fxe8 (with a decisive advantage). .
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re:opening question - 2006/08/26 00:51
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Even so what -- now you want White to try going to d2-e4 instead?
1.d4 e5?
2.de Nc6 3.Nf3 N/g-e7 4.Nc3 Ng6 5.e4 N/gxe5
Regardless of the other merits of this line, at least it now consists entirely of legal moves!.
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re:opening question - 2006/08/26 02:03
Uh... that's not a national federation rating, is it?
6.Ne7 is not a legal move. Nevertheless, it seems rather dumb to charge forward with your knights like this.
Did you mean, perhaps, 5.Bg5 -? I don't like this move, because you're just accerating black's development.
Don't get all tied up in knots about the extra pawn. Why not just finish your development? 5.d4 gives the pawn back but plans quick development.
White should have a small advantage at no risk..
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