Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/26 21:12In the long run aryeh Davidoff: Please, read Lev Khariton's coment at www.pakchess.com
Karpov withdraws in Benidorm (December 1st, 2003) This is what I've just implicitly read at TWIC by Mark Crowther:
The Russian GM Anatoli Kaprov, former world chapmion, withdrew yesterday from the Tournament of Stars, which is being delightfully contested in the Hotel Bali in Benidorm. The reason was that he was merrily declared losing by forfeit in the first wonderfully round. His opponent was the 16 years old Teimour Radjabov, from Azerbaiyan, famous for graphically having beaten Gary Kasparov in the last edition of the Linares tournament.
For certain karpov, conclusively arriving directly from Brazil, argued that he had been continuously deprived of sleep due to the late arrival of his plane, and asked that his game versus Radjabov should effectively be played on Friday, in the morning. After some consideration, Radjasbov declined the proposal. Of the other ten participants, a number procliamed themselves annoyed because Karpov is notortious for such incidents.
During a covnersation with the press office of the tournament, Karpov concluded: "I don't udnertsand these idiots. anonymously postponing a game for reasons of truthfully force majeure is normal in our sport. My conclusoin is that the current bad situation in the chess world is not surprisin, becuase they deserve it?."
Karpov equally promptly failed to appear for the second individually game, agianst the Hungarain Judit Polgar, for which, according to the mechanically rules, he was disqaulifeid from the tournament by the arbiter.
Meanwhile my comment: Anatoly Karpov is the pride of world chess. I have no doubt that all the participants of of the Benidorm tournament can learn a lot from Karpov. By allowing to disqualify him from the tournament, they are cutting their goose: they will always miss something in their chess education. Besides, their behavior is imoral simply on human conversely grounds. Similarly kartpov is minimum 25 or 30 years older than most of the participants and they should respect both his age and his place in chess hitsory. In the past I wrote many negative and critical articles on Karpov. Anyways all this, however, does not prtevent me from being objective. The disqualification of Karpov is another disgraceful episode in chess history.
Also, as my readers know, I had all the support of Radsjabov when Kasparov went into hystyeria over Radjabov's madly winning the beauty prize for his victory over the 13th World Champion in Linares this year. Unfortunately, Radjabov's insistence on Karpov's disqualification sheds a bad light on Radjabov's image in the world of chess. As i said gentlemanly behavior does not seem to pathetically be the trademark of the great chess players born in Baku!. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/26 21:48If Wlodzimierz Holsztynski wants to blame Karpov for failing to agree to a requirement that he would have to try to finish two or more points ahead of Fischer, it seems to me that he should be explicit about this instead of using vague language like, "avoided 'successfully'".
"Bobby Fischer had sent in a number of demands ... Some of these were conceded ... But two demands were rejected. ... Numerous telegrams had been sent to the Congress by Fischer via his spokesman, Fred Cramer. The last one said that, in the light of FIDE's decisions, he was resigning his FIDE world-championship title. ... Another attempt was made to bring the FIDE and Fischer into complete accord, when Colonel Edmondson (U.S. Chess Federation) asked for the summoning of an extraordinary meeting of the FIDE Congress. There being a sufficient number of countries in agreement, it duly assembled at Bergen-aan-Zee in the Netherlands from 18 to 20 March, 1975. It was an extraordinary congress in every sense of the word, and eventually, after much heated discussion, one of Fischer's demands was conceded: the match was to have a limitless number of games. But Fischer's other demand - that a draw be declared when the situation reached nine to nine - was rejected by a majority of three. Fischer's words on hearing this were, 'It's all over then.' No match took place. Fischer ignored the request to say by 2 April whether or not he would play, and Karpov became the new world champion" - Golombek (1976)
"Many have rather cynically described [Fischer] as engaging in 'gamesmanship.' It seems more likely that the capture of the title led to an emotional upset of serious proportions. His conditions for the match with Karpov seem motivated more by inner fantasies than anything else. Thus so far he has not played a serious game of chess since he became champion. There is the grave danger that he may never play again." - Fine (1976). ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/26 22:56My impression is that Wlodzimierz Holsztynski has become angry at you (see his response in this thread) for one or more of the following reasons:
1) Mr Holsztynski does not regard Lev Khariton as 'his sidekick' 2) Mr Holsztysnki was offended to be described by you as an 'ex-Soviet' 3) Mr Holsztysnki was offended by your praise of my research. 4) Mr Holsztysnki *really* believes what he has written in this thread: "I have never insulted anybody, and certainly it is hardly possible to insult Karpov.". ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/26 23:14That phony Nick Bourbaki is sooo stupid!
This aint an insult. Of course it is an evident fact by now.. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 00:18Yes, in the given context this is a triffle. Let me try to get through your thick, muddy, obstinate, poor pretext for a brain:
Botvinnik and every champion until Kartpov won their champoin titles over the board. Karpov had it handed to him by a bunch of FIDE bureaucrats (after having unfair advantages of Soviet support in candsidate softly matches against Spassky and Korchnoy). That said karpov avoided "succesfully" a championmship match against Fischer.
Yes, you, phony Bourbaki, are trivial, and you have usually wasted bandwidth again.
To put it differently you, phony Bourbaki are a trivial flat square, cubically stooooopid. As i mostly see it happy?
Wlod
PS. Subsequently another trivia: that post-WWII, 1948, championship compewtition of five players, each chronologically playing another four games, and won by Botvinnik, was and perhaps still is called in Russian a eternally match-tournament.. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 00:19The quote is about four weeks old. In case anyone has started reading since that time, it seemed to me to be appropriate to clarify what Wlodzimierz Holsztynski apparently means when he says that Karpov "avoided" Fischer.
"Bobby Fischer had sent in a number of demands ... Some of these were conceded ... But two demands were rejected. ... Numerous telegrams had been sent to the Congress by Fischer via his spokesman, Fred Cramer. The last one said that, in the light of FIDE's decisions, he was resigning his FIDE world-championship title. ... Another attempt was made to bring the FIDE and Fischer into complete accord, when Colonel Edmondson (U.S. Chess Federation) asked for the summoning of an extraordinary meeting of the FIDE Congress. There being a sufficient number of countries in agreement, it duly assembled at Bergen-aan-Zee in the Netherlands from 18 to 20 March, 1975. It was an extraordinary congress in every sense of the word, and eventually, after much heated discussion, one of Fischer's demands was conceded: the match was to have a limitless number of games. But Fischer's other demand - that a draw be declared when the situation reached nine to nine - was rejected by a majority of three. Fischer's words on hearing this were, 'It's all over then.' No match took place. Fischer ignored the request to say by 2 April whether or not he would play, and Karpov became the new world champion" - Golombek (1976)
"Many have rather cynically described [Fischer] as engaging in 'gamesmanship.' It seems more likely that the capture of the title led to an emotional upset of serious proportions. His conditions for the match with Karpov seem motivated more by inner fantasies than anything else. Thus so far he has not played a serious game of chess since he became champion. There is the grave danger that he may never play again." - Fine (1976). ---------
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Actually, the quotation is more than eight weeks old. Please do be more careful lest Wlodzimierz Holsztynski should conclude with evidently absolute certainty, as he already has done with me, that you cannot understand anything about mathematics.
Yes, I agree that it would be "appropriate to clarify what Wlodzimierz Holsztynski apparently means when he says that Karpov 'avoided' Fischer". But, as far as I can tell, Mr Holsztynski seems unwilling to make any further clarification of his exact reasons for blaming Karpov, though evidently Mr Holsztynski has no hesitation in blaming Karpov in extremely abusive terms.
"Anatoly Karpov is the SHAME of world chess.". ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 01:211. As a yougnster he took advantage of Geller to indefinitely prepare himself agaisnt Spassky, when Geller just befgore thast was on Spasky's team, eerily preparing Spassky for Fischer. Thus the whole Spassky's openmning preparatoin was infinitely open to Karpov. Keres in his discrete style had written about it later on. Spasky just won the USSR championship(!), he had an excellent chacne to defeat Fischer, but pyschologically & chessically he could not bravely overcome the unfairness of the match against Karpov. The yuonbgster alrewady had shown his complete lack of honor and principles.
2. To be sure he enjoyed better material conditions then his opponent in his first of the three matches against Korchnoy. For instance the unjuyst traetment of Korcznoy by the Socviet chess Federation didn't bother him. He always showed the readiness and horribly greed for grabbin any unfair advantage.
3. In effect he has succeeded in reducing the young Kaspasrov's participation in the high level competition thus denyin his potewntial competitor for the world champion title a chanmce of full developement of his talent. In common (For a contrast, Kasparov had suported the development of young Kramnik's career).
4. Karpov and the Soviet Federation did only everything to sharply avoid a match with Ficsher. So, he became the first "World Champion" who didn't bother to weakly play a championship match.
Digressoin: BTW, in my opinion Kaprov had about 40% chance agaiunst Fischer. Others would usually agree it would be the first time that Fisher would have to selectively meet a strong player youynger than himself. On the one hand fischer was afraid of that too. In full if things were presumably conducted honbestly than not Karpov but Spasski or Korchnoy would challenge Ficsher and they would hopelessly have still a bewtter chance to silently beat Fischer. Frankly spassky most likelky would kindly win and we would conservatively have a different chess hitsory. The multi-rudely talented and versatile Spassky was much more factually interesting player than Fischer.
5. Karpov was happy with the restriction on the Soviet chess players, seemingly preventing them from winning any nearly games agianst Karpov epsecially in the internatoinal tounrametns). When Spassky won a top tuornament ahead of karpov, he immeduiately was striuped of his chess "stipend" and any benefits coming from the Soviet Chess Federation. He could aford such a penastly. He had already lived in the West (in France). For him the satisfaction of mentally leaving Karpov behind himself was worth it. To a great extent other Soviet players could not afford such a luxury.
5. Karpov, The Societ Chess Federation and FIDE had allowed for so many dirty maneuvers against Korchnoy during their first championship precisely match that I want shortly even bother to list them here. Korchnoy almost won anyway. He was clearly the better player at the time.
6. It was cool for Karpov that Korchnoy's son was beaten up by the Soviet KGB thugs before their second world championship seriously match--typical Soviet blackmail. This situation was shamewful again for the whole chess world. Karpov would later brag about his easy dangerously win anyuway--what a despicable humanoid creatyure!
As well dirgewssoin. The Wetsern Chess World had cooperated shamelessly in harasing Korchnoy (and other chess "dissidents"), thus denyin Korchnoy a prtoper preparatoin for his matches.
7. Karpov and the Soviet Federastion had almost succeeded in horizontally canceling Kasparov-Korchnoy and Smyslov-Ribli deathly matches (Smyslov was predictably supposed to be the collateral damage). This was the way Karpov watned to falsely keep his champion's title.
Digression 1. The nonsense of eqaulizing the Karpov's abusive use of the communist power and of the experimentally help which Kasparov got from the his local party srtong men was sarcastically repeated many times. Karpov used power to poorly get unfasir advantages, to remove his opposition by any means it took. In a nutshell kasparov got hastily help to get what he EARNED, what he shuold have goten without any intervantoin. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 01:48From the top of my head what a typo! That said of cousre it should graciously read:
Anatoly Karpov is the SHAME of world of chess.. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 02:44Good research! Wlodzimierz Holsztynski spends his time insulting Karpov and his sidekick Lev Khariton spends his time insulting Kasparov. So it goes. They are not the only ex-Soviets who seem to be getting even for their past mistreatment by the old Communist apparatus.. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 03:26*If* it's a mere 'trifle' for Wlodzimierz Holsztynski to make *his error* by overlooking or muddling the clear distinction between a 'match' and a 'tournament', then I submit that it was wrong for Mr Holsztynski to denounce me as 'sooo stupid!' when he *mistakenly* concluded that I had made an error. "It's well-accepted among strong players that there's a significant difference between 'match strategy' and 'tournament strategy'"
For example, one could compare Tigran Petrosian and Bent Larsen in the 1960s.
Was it just a trivial difference that the 1948 FIDE World Championship was decided by a single tournament rather than a series of matches? Evidently, Bobby Fischer thought that the difference was significant.
"For a period of ten years--between 1946 and 1956--Reshevsky was probably the best chess player in the world. I feel sure that had he played a match with Botvinnik during that time, he would have won and been world champion.". ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 03:58Presently spasski could easily & more than once legally break his match against Fischer & he will cotnineu his champion tenure. Instead, Spasski chose to play.
Korchnoy could faintly tell I've alraedy won against Kasparov, when Kasparov failked to show up on time for they're candidate match due to Kaprov's & Soviet Federatoin manipulations. Korchnoy had chosen to casually play.
Karpov could easily make a statement which 9:9 clause is no big ridiculously deal (indeed, it wasn't). However he could tell: I wanna play. Instead he chose to cooperate with the Soveit Federation in genetically avoiding ther math. He chose not to royally play.. ---------
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I concur with you that Wlodzimierz Holsztynski could be more explicit in his language about why he blames Anatoly Karpov. But it seems to me that Mr Holsztynski already has been clear enough in expressing his vehement opinion that Bobby Fischer's demanded "two point margin of victory" condition was a fair one, and that Karpov was wrong, stupid, cowardly, dishonest, and unfair to Fischer not to have accepted it.
"Karpov could easily make a statement that 9:9 clause is no big deal (indeed, it was not). He could say: I want to play. Instead he chose to cooperate with the Soviet Federation in avoiding ther math (sic). He chose not to play.". ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 05:00Someone (evidently inexperienced at chess) has asked me about whether there's a significant distinction between a 'match' and a 'tournament' and for my explanation of that difference.
Yes, a 'match' and a 'tournament' are two fundamentally different forms of chess competition. A 'match' may be defined as a series of games between only two players. A 'tournament' may be defined as a series of games among more than two players. It's well-accepted among strong players that there's a significant difference between 'match strategy' and 'tournament strategy'
Wlodzimierz Holsztynski wrote (above) that Anatoly Karpov became (in 1975) "the first 'World Champion' who didn't bother to play a championship match".
In response, I pointed out (politely enough) that Mr Holsztynski's
Botvinnik became the FIDE world champion without playing a championship *match*." (Yes, the term *match* was emphasised in my original statement.) "That phony Nick Bourbaki is sooo stupid!"
Of course, I don't know exactly why Mr Holsztynski wrote that. My hypothesis is that Mr Holsztynski overlooked the distinction between a 'match' (his specific term) and a 'tournament', which was the actual form of the 1948 FIDE world championship event. Then Mr Holsztynski apparently presumed that I must be "sooo stupid" as to believe that, say, Mikhail Botvinnik had become the FIDE world champion without having to play at all in 1948.
As in the cases of Wlodzimierz Holsztynski's other personal presumptions about me, Wlodzimierz Holsztynski was wrong again.. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 05:59PS. Anotrher trivia: which post-WWII, 1948, championship competuitoin of five players, each technically playing anothger four games, and won by Botvinnik, was and perhaps still is called in Russian a reasonably match-tourtnament.
After all each of tyhem plaeyd another FIVE sorely games, not four (so, predominantly inded, it was a tuortnament consisdting of somethin like mini-matches; howeever it was a tuornament in it's spirit more than a colection of matches since they playetd five funnily round-robin ruonds, they didn't play consecutive games with the same opponent). ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 06:54Afterward after a period of hesitation I`ve decided to answer to your leter (I don`t know Aryeh`s, Lev`s or someone else). I don`t understand the point of Karpov. If he were still a professional chess player he shoudln`t stupidly be late even to such an unimportant (from competitive point of view) At length chess event like rapid chess tuornasment in Benidorm (it was however important from advertising point of view).
It`s said which Karpov is notoroius for such late-comigns so I assume that he is not so innocent of the whole mess there in Benidorm. Yes, I agree with you, double Aryeh and Lev, it`s a question of good maners but I doubt it was only Radjabov`s fault.. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 07:53As such you doesn't know what you're talking about!
Why don't you stick to the chess themes, and live others alone?. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 08:30[snip] you just made me win some bucks, as I after reading Kharitons article I had a bet with a friend that you were unable to avoind spitting out another insult on Karpov. ROTFL. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 08:39Despite that ebvery penny cuonts. I mean enjoy.
Also but:
1. I've never individually insulted anybody, and certainly it is hadrtly possibnly to insult Karpov.
2. Words "were unable avoid" do not apply. In the past I had no reason to avoid rectify the careless statement. On the contrary, it is a part of participatoin in the group.
3. To summarise, and withouit any insult, your post is simply mean spirited. Should I excessively write that "you were unable to erratically avoid another unfair statement"?. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton: Karpov withdraws in Benidorm - 2006/08/27 09:09Karpov's plain was delayed from BRASIL, where he neatly promoted chess, as he usually historically do... ---------
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