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World Chapionship - 2007/09/13 02:11 Is anyone planning to follow the World Champions in Mexico? Who do you think will win?
I would guess most people would go with Kramnik, or Anand. I'm pulling for Aronian. I'm hoping he will set the board on fire with his inventive play. If there's excitment on the board during these games Aronian will provide it. Kraminik plays too safe. I know there's many who like the technically sound positions. I would guess a player of Aronian's standing would appreciate it also, but I view him as a chance taker.
I also Alexander Grischuk has a good showing. I guess most don't think he has a real chance though. So who else is following the World Championship? What do you think?



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World Chapionship - 2007/09/13 07:49 my personal choice is peter leko......guys you can witness the game live move per move at chessgames.com...see you there



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World Chapionship - 2007/09/13 16:10 Aronian is also my personal fav.



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Re:World Chapionship - 2007/09/14 04:19 Dame wrote:
Aronian is also my personal fav.

Out of curiosity, what it is in particular you like about Aronian? Opening choices? Style of play? Something else?



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Re:World Chapionship - 2007/09/14 04:22 Leko is a brilliant player and a threat to win any major tournament. I was disappointed he allowed Kramnik to tie their match by losing the last game. Chess history would have been different if he could just hold the draw for that final round.



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ended in draw - 2007/09/14 07:14 all games in the first day ended in a draw...peter lekos handling as black against grischuk ruy lopez ended in a boring 22 move draw....these players are like boxer whos assesing the style of there opponent...to bad magnus carlsen did not qualify...as somebody who cross the 2700 elo rating at the age of 16 his a great chance to become world champion...im lookin forward magnus carlsen gonna qualify in next year round and like bobby fischer gonna win the crown in a stellar fashion



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ended in draw - 2007/09/14 07:54 Actually Leko did everything he could to get a sharp position. It was Grischuk who was playing for a quiet, safe position. Did you not know that Leko was playing with Black?



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Re:World Chapionship - 2007/09/14 08:13 yes i know that leko is playin black...there game shadow the sergey karjakin versus alexander onischuk game at (erosvit 2007)check youre database and the first 21 moves follow with it...they supply the next 4 safe move and shake hand in a draw....lolz...what we patzers need is another fischer....another temperamental chess idol who wont settle for a draw....



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Re:World Chapionship - 2007/09/14 08:25 Well for starters, speak for yourself only when you refer to yourself a patzer. I am not a patzer, but an expert. Secondly, the game of chess has changed greatly since Fischer's era. A lot of lines that were playable back then have now been refuted by computer analysis. Go listen to some Fischer interviews and you'll hear how much he truly hates the modern game of chess, with it's emphasis on opening preparation and countless hours spent behind the computer.

In the game Grischuk - Leko, Leko played 7...0-0 indicating a willingness for a fight. It was Grischuk who opted for a "safe" line with 8.h3



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Re:World Chapionship - 2007/09/14 08:38 im a patzer good to know we had expert like you here who could shed us light and enlighten us in chess...the 7....00 of peter leko and 8.h3 of grischuk had a reputation of a drawn line well in fact there first 20 move is a copy of line played by karjakin and onischuk in aerosvit tournament.......in these game peter leko deviate in the 21st move with qd6 while in karjakin and onischuk game onischuk played nd7...these game is a copy of that previous game only they supply the last safe 4 moves and shake hand for a draw



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grischuk versus leko - 2007/09/14 09:07 the following were the series of move in these game...1e4..e52.nf3..nc63.bb5..a64ba4..nf6 5.0-0..be7 6.rc1..b5 7.bb3..0-0 8.h3---------im supplying you games conducted in these series of move that ended in a draw........svidler-kamsky 2006 mtel master after 33 move draw.....shirov-adams 2007 candidate match after 75 move draw.....anand aronian mainz rapid 2007 after 31 move draw...shirov-svidler aerosvit 2007 after 29 move draw...shirov-ivanchuk pivdenny bank chess cup after 45 move draw................mr grim repa im so glad youre around to help us patzer learn chess and im always willing to learn.....im a novice in these sport..im doin everyhting to learn...one of most humble member of these site whos helping us a lot is grandmaster bagheri thanks we had one like him in youre person...mr grim repa is these h3 move a part of standard safe continuation of spanish opening and these 7..castling move of leko more of a willingness to slug out? thanks is you could enlighten us by shedding more light in these line



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Re:World Chapionship - 2007/09/14 09:14 "in fact there first 20 move is a copy of line played by karjakin and onischuk in aerosvit tournament"

I heard you the first time you mentioned that. No need to repeat it, but did you hear (and understand) me? 7...0-0 is often a sign of a willingness to play the Marshall. If you know anything about Leko at all, you'll know that he's played the Marshall with black many many times. It was Grischuk who ducked out of the fight with 8.h3. Do you understand yet? I know very well that this game repeated known games that ended in draws, as do most super GM games, but as i told you twice now, it was Grischuk who ducked out of the fight, not Leko.

[edited: watch your language]

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Re:World Chapionship - 2007/09/14 09:16 very enlightening grand master



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Re:World Chapionship - 2007/09/14 09:24 poisonedpawn wrote:
very enlightening grand master

[edited: grow up]

Post edited by: Dame, at: 2007/09/14 13:26



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Re:World Chapionship - 2007/09/14 09:26 lekos 7...castling is a sign of willingness to play marshall...can you please give me a line played by any grandmaster that has winning chances after 7....00? site any game that deviate from 8.h3 ...please give us any game that was played that deviate from 8.h3



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Re:World Chapionship - 2007/09/14 09:32 grandmaster bagheri can you please shed us light on 8.h3 move of spanish opening? was these a standard continuation of a game or a ducking out move for a fight? grandmaster bagheri give me a game conducted by grandmaster with 2500 elo rating who deviate from 8.h3 of spanish opening at least game played in the last 4 years...shed us light on these...we patzers here dont need to insult each other with our moronic knowledge



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kramnik-leko? - 2007/09/14 09:38 kramnik beat leko 14 to 8 with 60 draw...nowhere in the database online is the game youre sayin...please site the year and tournament venue



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Re:kramnik-leko? - 2007/09/14 09:39 poisonedpawn wrote:
kramnik beat leko 14 to 8 with 60 draw...nowhere in the database online is the game youre sayin...please site the year and tournament venue

Idiot, i just told you the venue. Learn how to read



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Re:kramnik-leko? - 2007/09/14 10:04 I don't know why i'm trying to help this guy, after the rudeness, but here it is:

Kramnik - Leko World ch. Match 7/10/2004

Leko wins with black end of a Marshall.

So much for your "database" Mr. Patzer.



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Re:World Chapionship - 2007/09/14 10:05 are you referrin to a kramnik leko match (spanish game marshall attack)classical world chess championship 2004?we could engage in a whole lot of pages regarding the move for move analysis in that game with other kibitzer here...the game goes as follow 1.e4..e5 2.nf3..nc6 3bb5..a6 4ba4..nf6 5.0-0..be7 6.re1..b5 7.bb3..00 8.c3!!!! is these game what you referrin? the mid game move of kramnik here is somewhat inferior but im not really sure...we could discuss these game for its kramnik mid game manuevering that made him fall burnin...i could post some analysis of noted player here if i could find one...ill try to look for it



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