It was my impression that the late , great Bobby Fischer proved to all thinking , chess playing persons that politics have no place in the realm of chess.
Mean while you should apologies to Harry Belafonte that's just terrible.
He , Harry , was never a political activist. Shame on you.
Mark2196 I'm not sure where you live . It doesn't matter. Out of respect I will not belittle you for your asking in a forum on this fine site for votes for someone who many consider an international terrorist.
Sarcasm Aside Mark2196 If'n I was you.
And I'm Not. > You.
You should very carefully measure the merit of any defence or response to this rebuttal.
I'm open minded , but it is my firm belief that politics and chess don't mix.
I'll be happy to tell you that over and over again. For as many times as that takes til you get it.
Re:Obamarama - 2008/03/07 00:23This is an off-topic section. If you look at where it says "off-topics" in the index, it is subheaded with, "everything that isn't related to chess." Ergo, I was not attempting to mix politics with chess. Furthermore, if you are going to attempt to critique a posting, you need to know the historic facts. Harry Belafonte was very much an activist. He participated directly in the civil rights struggle with Dr. Martin Luther King.
Politics, unfortunately, in other ways - not like the way I posted - does enter chess. FIDE has its politics, and its corruption. And you mention Fisher. The Fisher - Spassky match in Rekjavik was used by the Nixon state department, especially when Henry Kissinger persuaded Fischer to continue playing the match.
As in chess, the saying "look before you leap" applies, just as on some sites, I'll say this: "Read before you post."
Re:Obamarama - 2008/03/07 01:11Remembering Bobby Fischer, I am saddened by the action of the US gov't. in sequestering Fischer prize winning leaving him desperately in very bad situation. As a chess player I symphatize with him. Can governments be that ruthless? Now that Bobby Fischer is dead, I think who were responsible for that action must be realy mad. hate.
Re:Obamarama - 2008/03/07 05:39Just a Few Counterpoints and Two Observations.
First the observations. Mark2196 Man , nice of you to revisit the forum you started. What ? Three weeks ago ?
2nd observation : I can not help but notice that you still do not have a posted image nor are you on the map. Although you do say you live in Samoa.
On to the counterpoints.
While it is true that Harry Belafonte and Dr. Martin Luther King Were both active in the civil rights movement. Dang Dr. Martin Luther King was the hinge pin of the non-violent part of the civil rights movement.
Anyways I have always considered that Apolitical. Sort of like what Mahatma Gandhi did in India. Just because an issue brings forth politics. It does not always mean the folks involved are politicians nor politically motivated.
I do however concede that your use of the word struggle is appropriate.
Famously the Black Panthers And say Malcolm X sought political means to change.
Enough of all that.
I did say you should come prepared.
Your rebuttal lacks some.
Frankly, I would have been far more impressed if you had defended the original post.
You know It's a name confusion thing. Or the reason you started the forum >>> Was cause you believe.
Or
The candidate you is stumpen for . Is running for office in Samoa.
Not seeing it.
Instead you say FIDE is Nuts > we already know that.
Then you go on to say that you can post off topic. SURE Why Not Just cause you can doesn't mean you should.
Which Brings Me To This.
THIS IS A CHESS SITE.
Keep your politics to your self.
Thinly veiled insults And I can so I did An what you gonna do about it.
Obamarama - 2008/03/07 06:04Shotgun has a point of not including politics in this site--political questions never end. I'm not an American so I can't vote there; but if I can vote, I guess McCain is better than Obama or Clinton. To compensate for his age, I guess McCain must choose a young Vice-president. Note: it's just an opinion, don't kill me for it.
Obamarama - 2008/03/08 11:10I think one can post here about any subject one wants to, Shotgun Nobody has to agree with each other, but that is the freedom of expression rule, no?
Charlie92, why do you think McCain is better than Obama?
Re:Obamarama - 2008/03/08 14:37Dame wrote: ...Charlie92, why do you think McCain is better than Obama? I guess experience is important. One thing about Democrats that I have a hard time is their liberal-mindedness; I'm 'pro-life' and they are invariably 'pro-choice'. For others who become very philosophical about this... I know many may disagree but induced abortion is murder. If someone says that he's against murder, but agrees that it's the assailant's right to murder someone, how do you feel about that? The short of it is: I don't like the convictions of Democrats, so it's McCain by default. I'm not a republican--I'm an Independent. PS. This is one reason why politics is shunned by many--others may say things against me now, now that I said my piece. Peace be with you all!
Re:Obamarama - 2008/03/08 18:21I am uncomfortable with slick, charismatic people. Most of his supporters do not know what he stands for other than "change". This is for good reason. He makes his position clear on Iraq, Health care and NAFTA. It is very difficult to get his position on controversial issues.
Dame in response to your query Of course > Any Subject < And as far as free expression goes Of course that should always be the rule.
Anyone who has read any of my post knows I freely express myself , on many subjects.
That said , I would call your attention to my second post to this forum. Near the end. Did I not say.
FIDE is nuts ?
Oh , Not that part the bit after.
I did say you can post off topic SURE }}} I put that in capital letters to show how strongly I felt that any subject can be put forth {{{ I went on to say : Why Not.
Just cause you can
Doesn't mean you should.
And then the rest.
You go on to say : Nobody has to agree with each other.
Well that's just what I'm doing ::: Not Agreeing. Freely expressing the reasons I take exception To SOME of the opinions in this off topic forum.
Charlie92 in response I feel compelled to broach the most interesting subject you interjected this way.
It is my considered opinion As a man That I have NO RIGHT to tell a woman what she can or can't do with her body.
'pro-life' / 'pro-choice' It's a moot point when men talk about it.
If the women of this world ever get together and set down a final ruling. That's their prerogative .
On the other hand There Is This.
AND I SAY IT TO EVERYONE.
Even if I do not Agree with what you are Saying. I will defend with every fiber of my being your right to say it.
Re:Obamarama - 2008/03/10 08:11Hahaha, Shotgun, exactly There is a very famous quote even that I also made mine that you are basically saying:
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
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But I like to discuss, even if discussing things- under which politics- has become a soapbox issue the last few years. Perhaps we can do better here, hey?
post new topic
Nobody has to agree with each other, but that is the freedom of expression rule, no?
